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Topic Subject: General Retinues
posted 09-06-13 05:48 AM EDT (US)   
Back when it was revealed we could choose our General's retinue, I couldn't imagine using anything other than cavalry. However I've found the Veteran Legionnaires a much more valuable unit in battle, especially in the case where I'm recruiting from a province primarily fielding auxiliaries. Their only disadvantage is a lack of mobility to bolster morale elsewhere in the line.

This does tie in somewhat to the type of General youre fielding, for example if Im leading from the front my guy is going to have his Zeal trait boosted which allows the most aggressive battle abilities. A General leading from horseback is typically behind the lines and used in a different way, I put their points into Authority.

As for fleets, I just choose the biggest, baddest, vessel available.

What about you guys?

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posted 09-06-13 06:42 AM EDT (US)     1 / 14  
I've been sticking to cavalry for now, I find them useful for exploiting a gap rapidly, or performing a quick flank. I have been tempted by triarii though...

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posted 09-06-13 08:38 AM EDT (US)     2 / 14  
Depends on which faction I am playing as partly. Since Parthia gets a choice between Cataphracts or Cataphract Horse Archers (forgot the actual unit name), so it is either horses or horses. Some factions and their cavalry bodyguard options are not the size of a proper cavalry unit, while other are (IIRC).

Which also affects my decision, since sometimes I prefer having an additional full strength combat unit to throw in to the fray. So my decisions naturally change depending on the faction and unit sizes. As Athens I switched to the Lancer cavalry due to lacking cavalry and having plenty of anvils, also believe they come at full combat strength too (IIRC).

Ships I usually go with the strongest most impressive ship available at the time. Thou art a Admiral so thou shall have the most pompous ship there is to display thy prestige and pomp. Not to mention they usually suit my style of Ram-&-Board, or just plain boarding.
posted 09-06-13 09:14 AM EDT (US)     3 / 14  
I've been sticking to cavalry for now, I find them useful for exploiting a gap rapidly, or performing a quick flank.
Yeah I didn't like doing that though, the mounted General unit seemed ineffective in combat, and like Scip said it was smaller. Whereas the Legionnaires are full (or maybe better) strength unit.

Maybe because I rushed military tech to get Equites and they served my cavalry needs efficiently is making me approach it differently. Haven't tried other factions. I haven't seen the option to have Triarii Generals either, must be missing something.

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posted 09-06-13 09:55 AM EDT (US)     4 / 14  
Presumably because you rushed tech to get legionaries?

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posted 09-06-13 10:54 AM EDT (US)     5 / 14  
Ah! That'd make sense if the Legionnaire option replaces the Triarii one

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posted 09-07-13 05:35 AM EDT (US)     6 / 14  
Need to confirm it with another test playthrough, but I do believe they do. Which would explain why you did not see them as an option.

Finding myself partial to taking Companion Cavalry while playing online or singleplayer as Macedon, as the Bodyguard are the same size as a normal unit of Companion Cav. Haven't really examined if there are any statistical differences between the two, though one obviously get a bonus from always being near your General.
posted 09-07-13 06:15 AM EDT (US)     7 / 14  
Need to confirm it with another test playthrough, but I do believe they do. Which would explain why you did not see them as an option.
I'm certain they do, because if I have a unit of Triarii in a province where I can recruit Legionnaires the 'unit upgrade' button turns them into Legionnaires.

It only makes sense if the same applies to the General retinues.

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posted 09-16-13 09:18 PM EDT (US)     8 / 14  
^Yup, I can confirm this. Triarii are only an option prior to Legionnaires tech, at which point they are upgraded.

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posted 09-18-13 12:37 PM EDT (US)     9 / 14  
I've been playing as Carthage and the Averni quite heavily, and I've been making the Gaulish generals cavalry due to needing the mobility to chase routers (as most of my armies use mercenary cavalry as I lack the places to recruit cavalry from. I've been meaning to fix that...) and as Carthage, why I get to choose between a cavalry unit and African War Elephants. Take a gander at which one I choose when I'm Carthage

Haven't unlocked the Sacred Band yet, so I'm not sure if I'll get them as an option at one point, but I doubt it.

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posted 09-19-13 01:20 PM EDT (US)     10 / 14  
On a related note...does anyone else think it's kind of weird that your characters can only have one household retainer now? I don't see the harm in having 3 or 4, especially when you end up having dozens of extras laying around.

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posted 09-19-13 05:23 PM EDT (US)     11 / 14  
It would be more of a tactical puzzle to solve were it not for the fact you get millions of them which frequently do the same job. Which is a shame.

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posted 09-22-13 11:51 AM EDT (US)     12 / 14  
Don't really see the point of having an infantry general, except when you just want the general to stay in and guard the settlement. Authority is the best basic trait for that role.

I usually go for zeal for my attacking generals because it goes well with my skirmisher and artillery spam. Enemy simply breaks apart easily.

[This message has been edited by el_bandito (edited 09-22-2013 @ 11:52 AM).]

posted 10-01-13 11:21 AM EDT (US)     13 / 14  
Oh you will find reasons to have them eventually. It might require playing a different faction to Epirus, since many of the Greek troops have decent morale and can withstand being in a fight for a decent amount of time. Playing as the "Barbarian" factions however can sometimes be an entirely different story. While the Noble Oathsworn and Bloodsworn are tougher than nails the same cannot always be said of the lesser ranks.

Having a retinue of Nobles from the get-go can be quite useful, and eventually the Averni produce quite great cavalry as a Gaulish faction. Until you can supplement your armies with more Nobles to help replace the lesser infantry, or bolster their morale without your General being very close, having a unit of Nobles and your General on the frontlines of the infantry battle can be quite valuable. Especially against them Romans and their frontline Pre-Marian or Post-Marian infantry.
posted 10-03-13 07:47 AM EDT (US)     14 / 14  
On the flip side, a Triarii general can do wonders in a battle, especially with War Cry and such, if you don't have any Principes along for the ride.

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